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sam nunn

by rocky, Tue May 20, 2008 at 12:53:28 PM EST

It is interesting to see Sam Nunn being pushed as a VP candidate. Does anyone remember the central role he played is scuttling the gays in the military policy in 1993. He elevated the issue to the great detriment of the progressive agenda,enlisted Powell and other Pentagon brass in sabotaging the Clinton policy. That was a significant factor in the shaky start of a democratic presidency.on a shaky start.
One of the earliest backers of Obama is David Geffen who was "deeply offended" that Clinton did not deliver on his promise regarding the gays. I wonder how Sam Nunn will play to that group of Obama supporters.
Edwards would certainly serve to solidify doctors against Obama even his name as AG will do the trick. Despite all the love he gets from blogs he has never caught on with the public for a reason. His voting and person record does not bear out his current positions.

Tags: vp, geffen, dont ask dont tell (all tags)

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I do and remarked upon that in a comments thread. Thank you for foregrounding this in a diary. It's very important. I think Nunn could be an asset in a cabinet post, but as a VP he makes no sense to anyone who thinks that gay rights are civil rights on principle or politics.

The future is unwritten

by Strummerson on Tue May 20, 2008 at 12:55:57 PM EST

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I would be surprised if he doesn't pick clinton or someone she recommends

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Tue May 20, 2008 at 12:56:58 PM EST

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Along those lines, I think Wes Clark is the best pick.

I'm genuinely surprised to see Webb being pushed as a Veep pick. Too conservative, and he doesn't strike me as temperamentally fit for the modern Veep-ship.

by BlueinColorado on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:06:18 PM EST
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Just tell people Webb said no. (none / 0)

I want Clark, and I'm an obama supporter!

We need a genius on the ticket...

*&=4eva

by BlogSurrogate57 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 02:30:37 PM EST
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Re: sam nunn (none / 0)

Please read person record as personal record and ignore the redundant "on a shaky start'
thanks

by rocky on Tue May 20, 2008 at 12:58:33 PM EST

None (none / 0)

Noooo Nunn, is so conservative would defeat half the arguments against John McCain.

by mady on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:01:19 PM EST

Amen (none / 0)

and as to "generational change", if we want to reach back to the eighties, there are better choices.

Can't think of any off the top of my head, but I'm sure they're there.

by BlueinColorado on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:07:44 PM EST
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No, Nunn would be a terrible VP pick. (none / 0)

By the way, sorry to go off topic, but is anyone watching CNN right now? I swear to god they just showed some guy from KY saying that his advice to Obama is that he needs to "quit being so black." Did anyone see this?

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:04:06 PM EST

well... it's better than SOME things he might have (none / 0)

said.

Never forget the guy attending a Harold Ford, JR, rally, saying "I've never voted for no n... black man before."

There is hope, and people can change. I do believe this.

*&=4eva

by BlogSurrogate57 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 02:32:01 PM EST
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I'm not on the Sam Nunn train (none / 0)

but Clinton supporters are being hypocrites if they bitch about Don't Ask Don't Tell. It's one thing to ask "but I thought you don't support it"

I don't and don't want someone on the ticket who did and it would be unfortunate if that happens, but to suddenly find the light in gay rights after supporting a candidate who's support for LGBT rights has been lukewarm at best makes me twitch.

Neither has been really effective in LGBT rights, so I don't expect much from either.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:16:21 PM EST

I wouldnt' be surprised to hear from Nunn.... (none / 0)

... that his experience as a professor, and the Millennial changing of the guard in the military since he left the Senate, had caused him to change his mind about gays in the military.

Of course, I couldn't support him for VP barring such a change.

Sam Nunn was absolutely right on Iraq -- both times.

Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.

by tbetz on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:16:53 PM EST

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I think the first Iraq war was the original sin

by rocky on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:19:47 PM EST
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It took some serious stones... (none / 0)

... for Nunn to vote against it, and in the end, that vote cost him re-election.

But he was absolutely right.

Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.

by tbetz on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:37:28 PM EST
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Agreed (none / 0)

Nunn is being pushed by the same insiders that always push him.

However there is ZERO chance he will be on the Democratic now or anytime. And I would hope he does no more then advising Obama on nuclear issues.

Sam Nunn is a 70 year old reactionary Democrat. He would be a unacceptable vice presidential nominee.

"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau

by Populista on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:19:33 PM EST

Nunn Before Webb (none / 0)

The same arguments used for supporting Jim Webb for VP are equally compelling regarding Sam Nunn--military and national security background, moderate/conservative credentials, etc. We also don't lose a senate seat by picking Nunn, and I don't take it on faith that Webb could definitely deliver Virginia--I think only Mark Warner could do that, and I don't want to lose him as a senate candidate.

Further, with Nunn's support in GA and the energized African American vote there, the state would be made competitive. I don't expect the dem ticket to win it, but it would be much closer because of the combination of those two factors.

I take it as a given that the VP choice will not sit well with most progressives, as Obama has to try to reach out toward the right and center for the GE. Considering all that, I have no great objections to Nunn as the running mate.

by Davidsfr on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:33:00 PM EST

webb doesn't want Veep (none / 0)

*&=4eva

by BlogSurrogate57 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 02:33:42 PM EST
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He Never Said That (none / 0)

He said he wasn't "all that interested."

by Davidsfr on Tue May 20, 2008 at 02:37:37 PM EST
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his words... from the hill.com (none / 0)

"I'm not really interested. That's all I want to say"

That sounds like "don't want it" to me. ;-)

*&=4eva

by BlogSurrogate57 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 02:48:53 PM EST
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You know what? I don't care.
Barack Obama has to say and do what it takes to win. I'm sick o high minded policies that makes us lose all the time. Being a great president means you will creat enemies and not please everyone.

I'm sick of losing.

Obama/Warner 2008

by MissVA on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:40:45 PM EST

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so, then why not Hillary as Veep?

that would ensure unity.

by colebiancardi on Tue May 20, 2008 at 04:59:00 PM EST
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