scotus

 I am amazed by this continuous claim that a loss of presidency would mean the end of safe abortion in the US. It would be a simple matter to pass a law in Congress legalizing abortions. It may end up with some minor restrictions but there is no reason to believe that the Congress wont be able to pass such a law.
   There are enough interstate commerce implications of abortion that such a law would be constitutional and would pass with enough voes to overcome a veto or it would lead to the end of Republican party.



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Do you really think so? (none / 0)

Honestly, why hasn't this "simple matter" not been passed since Roe vs. Wade.  Throughout the 80's the democrats held both houses of congress.  They hold both houses now.  Why hasn't this simple law been proposed and passed?

Or was this diary snark?  It's hard to tell on MyDD nowadays.


by shalca on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:32:57 AM EST

No one wants it (none / 0)

If Republicans overturn Roe v. Wade, it will truly end their party's chances to win majorities and the presidency for decades to come.

I think the more pertinent issue is the further erosion of the right to a safe abortion, and here is where we have to worry about Republicans and their bots in the courts.


by Sieglinde on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:39:46 AM EST

Re: scotus (none / 0)

There are many more consequences to another 4 years of of a Republican presidency than just Roe v. Wade, all of which violate Democratic ideals and principles.

But, don't let something like that stop you from crossing over.

/sarcasm


Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.
by Massadonious on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:43:38 AM EST

A veto-proof law legalizing abortion? (none / 0)

Where do you see the 67 senate votes neeeded for an override?  We have a 51-49 majority right now.  Two Democratic Senators, Harry Reid and Bob Casey, Jr., are prolife.  That gets us down to 49.  So now we need 18 Republican votes.  Off the top of my head, I can only think of a handful of pro-choice Republicans in the Senate:

Kay Bailey Hutchinson (TX)
Susan Collins (ME)
Olympia Snowe (ME)
Gordon Smith (OR)
Arlen Specter(PA)

Even if we end up picking up seven or eight seats, we will still come up short.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:44:24 AM EST

Re: scotus (none / 0)

The Democratic Congress has been a disappointment for years, but maybe a huge majority this time would do it.

The problem -- it looks like Obama will be the nominee and he may not win the GE.  There are two bad days of polls in the McCain-Obama matchup.   In FL, according to Quinnipiac, Obama loses to McCain by 4 (Clinton is up by 7).  In Ohio, the margins are exactly the same.  In PA, she's up by 13, Obama by just 6 over McCain.  Yesterday, Obama was ahead in Colorado, but in Missouri Clinton wins by 2 but Obama loses by three.  (Rasmussen)  Rasmussen also had Clinton winning FL, but Obama losing it.  The worst is NC, where Survey USA has Clinton winning by 6 but Obama losing by 8.  In Virginia, which was supposed to be close for Obama, the VCU poll has McCain beating Obama by 8 (and Clinton by 9).

So the Dems may have huge majorities in both houses, but not enough to overcome a probable McCain veto of a liberal abortion bill.

I noticed some sarcasm from a poster who said -- but don't let this stop you from crossing over.  It is not rabid Dems I'm worried about.  It's hundreds of thousands of moderate Republicans (who are really angry about the Bush years) and moderate to conservative Democrats.  They're not on these sites.


by katmandu1 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:49:16 AM EST

He's only down in 4 (none / 0)

in Florida? Up 6 in Pennsylvania? Up in Colorado? Down only 3 in Missouri?

Wow, we're in great shape.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:52:26 AM EST
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I stopped caring (none / 0)

If Obama loses because of Democratic defections, those defections will, by in large, be from women and pro-choicers, who will bear the brunt of the damage done by the McCain Administration.

They have more to lose than I do.

Plus, I think the odds of that happening are slim. I was around a bunch of Clinton supporters last night who spent months talking about how they won't vote for him.

Guess what...they're voting for him.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:50:43 AM EST

Oh Lets face it....... (none / 0)

I am as staunch Hillary supporter as they come, and even I will hold my nose and vote for a DEM candidate I dont particularly care for.  The stakes are too high.  Price of gas, healthcare, etc.  

I do think Obama needs to start focusing on these "bread and butter issues" more though. In fact, he needs to change the central message of his entire campaign, imo, to address these issues.   Its these issues that are on the minds of VOTERS,  not INSPIRATION and LACK of LOBBYISTS.  


Hillary/Obama 2008
by Sandy1938 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:57:41 AM EST
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Well see (none / 0)

and I think he has.

Opposing the gas tax holiday for example.

In his speech in Iowa on Tuesday, there will specifics.

It's difficult to differentiate himself from someone he agrees with 99% of the time on issues. The only things you've heard him get specific on are the ones he differs from Hillary on, which is few. Once he's up against Republicans, you'll see where he stands.

And it's not that far away from Hillary.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:03:01 AM EST
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GOOD POINT (none / 0)

The actual policy differences are so minimal between him and Hillary are very minimal.  Once he starts running against Mccain,  I hope he does in fact hammer home the idea "Are you better off than you were 8 years ago?"   LOL,  who would answer "yes" to that question except and Oil exec?


Hillary/Obama 2008
by Sandy1938 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:27:22 AM EST
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Even the oil execs are complaining (none / 0)

I listened to Michael Reagan on Larry King Live last night and it reminded me why even if Hillary somehow finagles the nomination away from Obama, although I won't trust her and I won't like her and when my children and grandchildren ask me about her, short of instituting world peace and feeding every hungry person on earth, I won't have a positive opinion of her to tell them, for Christ sakes, she MUST be President.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 10:05:03 AM EST
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Re: Oh Lets face it....... (none / 0)

My concern is not just that Obama gets your vote in November, but I really hope that he is able to convince you to campaign for him too. Clinton has some of the most passionate, well spoken, liberal advocates supporting her and if even a fraction of them put a fraction of that energy behind an Obama campaign, November will be a landslide.

We may need your votes, but we also want your help.


by Thadd Selden on Thu May 22, 2008 at 10:59:15 AM EST
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Re: scotus (none / 0)

Since I've moved to Kansas, the laws they have passed regarding abortion have gotten sillier and more strict- for example, the state legislature is about to pass a law requiring women to undergo an ultrasound and listen to the heartbeat of the fetus before having an abortion.There was also a part where the woman had to be counseled by a pro-life advocate, but I think that was removed.
Having a republican president who wants to repeal the Roe V Wade decision might not outlaw abortion outright, but will certainly empower the states to ban abortion or make it impossible to have one.
The states have the power in this case, not Congress.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:53:24 AM EST

Overturning Roe (none / 0)

won't ban abortion nationwide.

For example, I'm in New York, the laws wouldn't change here, although now they could if Albany wanted to

But you're in Kansas and abortion would be outright banned faster than you can say Associate Justice John Yoo.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:05:13 AM EST
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There's a difference (none / 0)

Other Republican administrations and congresses have had no interest in overthrowing Roe or instituting heinous restrictions on reproductive rights because that's biting the hand that feeds them... if they don't pander to evangelicals on the evil of babykilling, they don't get elected.

The difference is that McCain couldn't give a shit about electing Republicans... "maverick," remember?  An ill-stated mention of not overturning Roe v. Wade in 1999 in preperation for running for President in 2000 aside, McCain is an idealogue on this issue and will do it just because that's what he believes.  He believes strongly in saving babies and making war with brown people.  And that's what he'll do if elected.

The Supreme Court issue isn't just about abortion, of course.  Privacy, civil rights, and government accountability are all at stake, too.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:14:45 AM EST

Re: scotus (none / 0)

I agree that it is larger than Roe.  But the question of who names the successor to Ruth Bader Ginsburg's seat is almost enough to be the deciding factor on its own.  Justice Ginsburg, a great hero of mine, has been rightly called the Thurgood Marshall of the women's movement.  John McCain does not hold the things she has stood and fought for as priorities, with regard to reproductive rights and a host of other civil rights issues.  I believe that Barack Obama does, and would be in a position to name a worthy successor and not another version of Roberts and Alito.  John Paul Stevens, a giant on the bench, is also at the end of his career.  How do you like a Supreme Court dominated by Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas, and two other justices committed to the same constituencies and issues?


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:54:57 AM EST

Abortion... (none / 0)

will not be made illegal.  If it didn't happen under a conservative Bush admin. with a full repug congress it certainly will NOT happen under a less conservative Mccain Pres and a full DEM congress...

besides - if it was made illegal then we'd have to pay billions to build new prisons to house all the women and doctors in these jails.


by nikkid on Thu May 22, 2008 at 10:12:14 AM EST

Re: Abortion... (none / 0)

You're a little misinformed.  Abortion cannot be made illegal currently because there are 5 Supreme Court justices who insist that it's a constitutional right.  Were it found not to be a constitutional right, then the states and/or federal government could do whatever they want.  There wouldn't even need to be a federal law banning abortions, because many state governments would be willing to do so.


by rfahey22 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 10:44:58 AM EST
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Re: Abortion... (none / 0)

You misunderstand how this works, apparently.  There's no point in passing a ban that you flat out know the Supreme Court won't uphold (Thank you Justice Kennedy).  They're waiting for one more liberal or swing justice to retire or die.

You really don't get it?  This is the whole ballgame.

Also, abortion was illegal before.  Abortion still happened, but it happened in back alleys, as it were.  Women died, and no small number.

You can be blind, you can be selfish, but please open your eyes.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 11:42:09 AM EST
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Re: scotus (none / 0)

If it was so easy, it would have been passed long ago.  Moreover, a law can always be repealed.  Finally, the Supreme Court has been working for over a decade to limit the reach of the Commerce Clause, so your initial premise doesn't even necessarily bear out.


by rfahey22 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 10:42:39 AM EST

Re: scotus (none / 0)

I would like to see the democratic nominee win but just keep things in perspective. The ill effects of scotus would be on labor and other contract issues to the detriment of the "working class", on the real availability of safe abortions-not so much


by rocky on Thu May 22, 2008 at 10:55:24 AM EST


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