MyDD :: Open Thread

$439Billion spent on the US Military and still no universal health care.

What a reversal that Clinton is somehow to Obama's left. I support her becoming the VP, and after today I can't say I'm not questioning my support of Obama over her in the Primaries. Clearly she's no longer under the same pressure Obama is now (being out of the race and being a Senator in a strong blue state like NY), but still I expected more from him.

The ACLU is going to challenge the new FISA law and I doubt that will get very far, but here's to hope!

by jlars on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 06:55:01 AM EST
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Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

It is not a terribly smart strategy for the VP to be casting divergent votes on issues as big and high profile as the FISA thing was.

by lori on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:10:39 PM EST
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Re: Open Thread (1.50 / 4)

Some are saying she voted this way to make Obama look bad.

So now it's that, if you vote the right way but it's not the way Obama voted, and he votes the wrong way, you're making him look bad and should have voted the wrong way to back our newest Dear Leader.

Good grief.

by Juno on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:11:17 PM EST
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by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:18:03 PM EST
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"Some people say"

Classic Fox News line, I know you "pumas" think Fox news is your new BFF, but please don't try and talk like them, you just end up looking stupid.

by Juno on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:23:38 PM EST
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1) Just read some of the posts on this blog about this;

2) Funny how just this morning it was being denied here that criticism of Obama is routinely and usually met with calling people trolls or PUMAs, all while insisting that his supporters totally respect disagreement.

Puh-leeze.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:25:16 PM EST
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Um you sockpuppet with a NoQuarter Racist, how am I supposed to take you seriously.

by Juno on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:28:48 PM EST
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Seems the only way you can respond is with aggression and insults.

So much for change.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:31:30 PM EST
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Change, I never said anything about change.

If you are talking about Obama, I dont get it.

I called you out for trying to imitate Fox News and then I called you out for bedding with racists which you obviously have no problem with.

And yes, I sleep well at night with no hatred or bigotry in my heart.

I was raised better than that.

I would feel sorry for you but I don't.

by MeganLocke on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:48:42 PM EST
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"SO MUCH FOR HOPE AND CHANGE"

by Shaun Appleby on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:52:31 AM EST
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And funny how I'm still awaiting your answer.

by Juno on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:25:13 PM EST
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Responding to criticism with personal attacks meant to demean and distract off the issue is what FOX, and BushCo, does.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:26:18 PM EST
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Some people say.......

by Juno on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:27:32 PM EST
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Again, are you not seeing "some people saying" this here???

Fine. You want me to list them by name???

It's only false if some people are NOT saying it, but in this case, some ARE.

Get it?

Sheesh.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:32:17 PM EST
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I suggest you check out Bravenewfilms.org

by orionwest on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:01:23 PM EST
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Get over yourself dude! Obama sold out the Constitution, the Nation, and the People all by himself. I don't compromise on the Constitution. If that in your mind is speaking like FOX News then by all means count me in with FOX News!

Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.

Did you protest?

by hootie4170 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:10:17 PM EST
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by Shaun Appleby on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:53:34 AM EST
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Count you in with Fox News? Explain to me why that isn't an instant red card.

by democrattotheend on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:20:09 PM EST
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I think she did it in part to make Obama look bad, but that's his fault, not hers. He's the one who cast the wrong vote. I am not going to criticize her for voting the right way no matter what her motives are.

by Juno on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:24:28 PM EST
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If she had ulterior motives, it wasn't to make Obama look bad. HE did that.

It was to show the superdelegates they made a mistake.

Which they did, IMO.

by MeganLocke on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:52:14 PM EST
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They should have split evenly down the middle.

by Shaun Appleby on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 05:55:46 AM EST
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All of them? Now that would've been news. Like something out of a bad Sci-Fi movie.

Re: Open Thread (2.00 / 3)

Honestly I hope Clinton did what she did without one thought to "what would Obama do?" Who gives a shit, really, what he thinks or feels about what she did.

by JustJennifer on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:12:20 PM EST
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"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

Yup. She did it because, unlike Obama, she doesn't have to wonder whether it will kill her in the press. Obama probably would have voted against it if he had lost the primaries. Anyone saying otherwise is just stuck in their own perceptions. I think she might have at least voted for the bill had she been the nominee. She probably would NOT have voted to kill the filibuster, though. Sad.

by vcalzone on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:48:16 PM EST
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Well, that's getting to be a big group (none / 0)

Ted Strickland bowed out, followed by John Edwards, Jim Webb, Eddie Rendell......this is beginning to look a lot like 1972. All the viable choices for running mate that year (Kennedy, Scoop Jackson, Muskie, Shriver) turned McGovern down..so he ended up with Eagleton. Most of the A-team VP choices have bowed out at this point; Obama now must pick from scraps. Tom Daschle, Gray Davis, maybe Bill Bradley. This is not going to get any prettier.

by BJJ Fighter on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:41:40 AM EST
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by Juno on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:07:48 PM EST

Be sure to watch the video of Jonathan Turley too. I am a real admirer of his.

Can someone say anything Obama has actually held firm on and not capitulated on while in the Senate??

by DemsLandslide2008 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:19:41 PM EST
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Admin- I HR'd this guy for clear outright racial slurs.

Barky is code for Darky, started on NoQuarter.

how disgusting, in a FP no less.

by rpcvlawson on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:32:21 PM EST

I'm sickened.

This week, I'm switching my registration from Democrat to Independent. I've been a Democrat my entire voting life, but I'm quit of them.

Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.

Good luck with that..

by hootie4170 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:11:44 PM EST
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Welcome to the independent life - it's such a (none / 0)

relief, I can't tell you how - I feel liberated from having to defend their losing positions/policies! You did the right thing!

by suzieg on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:07:22 AM EST
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by agpc on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:28:58 PM EST

Raze the motherfucking AP to the ground along with all the other mainstream conglomerate media outlets. Long live the blogs, for they provide the truth which shall set us free.

So now, Associated Press is the enemy, too? (none / 0)

I might go along with you if you want to trash Fox News, CNN, etc. But don't you see what is happening?

Obam-aniacs are using whatever Barack says, or however he votes, to establish the standard in defining right vs. wrong. The AP had it right: the Dems have wussed out again. But because their story casts a harsh light on Barack--as well as other Democrats who caved in on FISA--you automatically want to trash them.

Don't shoot the messenger.

by BJJ Fighter on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 01:32:33 AM EST
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Blinders, they wear blinders! (none / 0)

by suzieg on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:08:20 AM EST
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"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"

A couple of things...
Russ talks positively about Obama

and there is this..
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/359 28prs20080709.html

by nogo postal on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:32:00 PM EST

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It really posses you off a bi-racial man will be our next President doesn't it..
Gonna be harder for folks like you to pass on your bigotry.

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"

by nogo postal on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:34:09 PM EST

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oh yeah
Rachel and Amy Goodman..the only one's that matter.

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"

by nogo postal on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 11:36:44 PM EST

LOVE Russ (none / 0)

Not so much on Rachel. She's just a LITTLE too unbiased for me. I like my news a little less self-righteous. I do like Feingold though, he is always right. Unflinching. Brave. Great.

by easyE on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:32:19 AM EST

by RickWn on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 02:20:16 AM EST

And so, our Democratic leadership gave Bush and Cheney the final pass on their historic, often out-right criminal, mismanagement of our country.

Disgusting. Senator Obama should be ashamed for his vote.

Oh, yeah. He still gets my vote in the general. But I'll be holding my nose.

by Beren on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 02:33:11 AM EST
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"Disgusting. Senator Obama should be ashamed for his vote."

Don't overlook the part where Feingold expressed his reasoned hope that Obama will undo the worst of the law after becoming president.

And remember that Obama's one vote now wouldn't have changed the outcome anyway -- just given McBush a reason to attack him.

It was the "usual suspects" in the Democratic caucuses of both houses of Congress who once again collaborated with Bush to put their own party's nominee in a bad position.

by RickWn on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 03:06:06 AM EST
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A good and reasoned reply. I'm aware of Feingold's statements and hope his hope, our hopes, prove true.

I realize why Obama had to vote the way he did today. Ironic how he was almost forced to vote, for similar political calculation, as Hillary in 2002 on the AUMF.

Those pesky terrorists... didn't accomplish a single goal other than to sadden and enrage us, with that 9/11 attack. Yeah, right.

Obama probably got a real taste this day of what Hillary was going through back in 2002 with her AUMF vote. Kind of you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Enough of my ramblings... on to a Democratic Whitehouse and super-majorities in both houses of congress.

by Beren on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 03:38:50 AM EST
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"Ironic how he was almost forced to vote, for similar political calculation, as Hillary in 2002 on the AUMF."

The differences? Obama was forced to vote by his own party rather than by the Bush Regime. And his FISA vote won't cost thousands of lives and a trillion or more doallars (not that the 4th Amendment isn't vital in itself) -- and can be undone in less than the couple of years it will take to extricate from Iraq.

There needs to be a lot more griping about the Democrats in the House and Senate who proactively brought this day to pass. But not just griping -- these GOP/NeoCon/Bush/Cheney collaborating Democrats need to be challenged in their primaries as McJoe was.

It's too bad that at least one influential diarist on this "reform" blog has taken that option "off the table."

$439Billion spent on the US Military and still no universal health care.

Who forced him? Sure he had pressure but he also could have taken the same road that thwarted the scare tactics of the gas tax holiday concern trolling.

Basically, the Right-Wing media tells him he supports terror if he votes against FISA and he simply points out how the bill was only letting Bush off the hook. The same power of over-site was there before this version of FISA. That's all he had to say and he could have turned the frame around on the Republicans.

I still support Barack Obama, but I'm suspending my funding of his campaign.

by jlars on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 07:09:53 AM EST
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then you're just as corrupt as his action today! (none / 0)

by suzieg on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 04:09:22 AM EST
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Good ole Russ! (2.00 / 1)

He was my first choice before he announced he wouldn't run for president. He's my first choice for VP now.

by Beren on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 02:27:11 AM EST

Re: Good ole Russ! (none / 0)

Amen to that prayer!!

by RickWn on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 03:11:11 AM EST
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